Saturday, December 27, 2008

Chanukah War - Lighting up the Gaza Strip

I saw this You Tube via Jameel at Muqata.


There is a special joy in the IAF finally being allowed to get their mark. And no, I don’t feel a damn bit sorry for those Hamastanis caught on the ground.

16 comments:

Dr.Dawg said...

I don’t feel a damn bit sorry for those Hamastanis caught on the ground

Why would you? "A million Arab lives are not worth one Jewish fingernail," right?

Kateland, aka TZH said...

Dawg, Since caring or concern for the lives of Jews has never been within your ken, I hardly think it fair for you to begrudge me my fingernails.

But take heart Dawg, as you are not alone, in fact, there are literally millions and millions even as I type this who are routing and cheering for every drop of Jewish blood spilled than those who mourn the spilling.

Dr.Dawg said...

So far it's mostly Palestinian blood on the ground.

Kateland, aka TZH said...

Well, Dawg don't lose heart there is always tomorrow with your crowd.

Dr.Dawg said...

Those "drugged cockroaches in a bottle?" Not likely.

The Palestinian Untermenschen will be massacred in their hundreds yet again, to the delight of the Judea and Samaria types. Wherever your Meir Kahane is, he's cheering, alongside Baruch Goldstein.

Feh.

Kateland, aka TZH said...

'drugged cockroaches in a bottle' - Hardly my words Dawg. My Meir Kahane - I believe the psychological term for your delusions is called 'projection' either that or you are suffering from a series of mini-cluster strokes which has impaired your reasoning. Dawg, I suggest you take care as your demonization of me is leading you to a new low dangerous ground.

Dr.Dawg said...

"Demonization?" I'd say you are doing a pretty good job of that all on your own.

This is what you had to say at my place about the ethnic cleansing of Bedouins (Israeli citizens) from the South Negev:

I’ll cry over the Bedouin in Eretz Yisrael when you cry over Noam Federman.

Readers might like to know who this Noam Federman is. He's a former leader of the fascist and racist Kach party. He was implicated in a plot to blow up an Arab girl's school, although he was, admittedly, acquitted. He is, however, a criminal and a terrorist.

The Meir Kahane connection? Here's Federman again:

"We basically explain the Arab problem as Rabbi Kahane saw it"

And how did Kahane see the "Arab problem," exactly?

Some quotations to illustrate the Israel of his dreams:

"Western democracy has to be ruled out. For me that's cut and dried: there's no question of setting up democracy in Israel, because democracy means equal rights for all, irrespective of racial or religious origins."

"I’d offer financial compensation for those [Arabs] who want to leave the country voluntarily. I would only use force for those who don’t want to leave."

Weep tears for Noam Federman, who sees the "Arab problem" just as Kahane saw it--the solution being ethnic cleansing and a fascist state? Not I.

But please, don't let me stop you.

Kateland, aka TZH said...

Dawg, I was referring to the fact Federman's home and farm buildings were destroyed because they were allegedly built without a permit - just like your Bedouin mosque. Although, unlike your mosque, Federman did have the right to use the land to farm but not build.

What you cannot seem to comprehend is the fact that although I am a Zionist, as was Kahane and as is Federman, not all Zionists are Kachists. But what I want to know is why you weep metaphorically for the 'plight' of the Palestinians you have no time or truck for or with their victims, whether it is the ethnic cleansing of the Dom or the Christian minority under the Palestinian Authority. Why were you silent as Dom males were being slaughtered in an initiation rite for al Asqa Martry’s Brigade? You spend much time and effort propping up the 'Palestinian' cause, and yet, the Palestinian Authority has some of the most repressive legislation enacted against religious or ethnic minorities.

Dawg, I have yet to see one post where you ever denounce the consequences of anti-semitism – for example, in the current conflict the Israeli government humanitarian supplies to the people of Gaza, included in that shipment was “Jordanian’ blood. Yes, the Israeli government had to go to expenses and hassle of supplying ‘non-Israeli’ blood otherwise the hospitals of Gaza would refuse to use it.

http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2008/12/filthy-jewish-blood.html

But I find your find nothing to criticize among the Palestinians…strange.

Dr.Dawg said...

I had thought you were referring to Beit HaShalom. The home that was destroyed, though, was a settler home in the West Bank. To compare that--another mini-incursion onto someone else's land--to Israeli citizens being harried off their own ancestral land--is a bit of a stretch.

I'm perfectly aware that there are many forms of Zionism. But in my experience, the "Judea/Samaria" folks are on the Kahanist part of the spectrum.

Federman is bad news. I'm a little surprised that you'd hold him up as anything but the savage that he is.

What legislation against religious minorities was enacted by the PA, incidentally?

Equality of all Palestinians under the Law and Judiciary is affirmed in the Basic Law which
does not permit discrimination on the basis of race, sex, colour, religion, political views, or
disability. The Palestinian Electoral law sets a quota of representatives of religious minorities at the PLC.


Finally, a search of my blog will reveal that I consider anti-Semitism another form of racism, and obviously I oppose it. But I reject, utterly, the conflation of criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.

Kateland, aka TZH said...

Your ducking my question – why do you never criticize the Palestinian Authority or even Hamas government for their treatment of minorities in your blog?

How is it their crimes get a free pass or even a white wash on your blog? It is all very well to sprout PA basic law but the practise in the PA/Hamas run Gaza Strip tells an entirely different story - are you seriously suggesting the Christian minorities are not under seize by the ‘lawful’ Palestinian governments? Tell me how do you reconcile equality of all Palestinians under the Law and Judiciary whereby it is a criminal offense punishable by death for any Arab to sell land to a Jew? If that isn’t a racist law – pray tell me what is? Passed in 1998 post Oslo I might add.

And for the record you might try googling the cases of Lama, Salameh, Kawwas and Asfour – all Palestinian Christians living in the disputed territories whose land was stolen from them by Palestinian Authority officials. There are many, many, more and that’s not even taking into account the plight of minorities of living within the Hamas run Gaza Strip. The thing is, I have gone on the record on my blog criticizing various Israeli governments, the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah, and at the same time, I have written about the terrible plight of the SLA and their families in Israel and even the plight of Palestinians forced to live in deplorable conditions within neighboring Arab countries. But of course, if no Jews are involved or can be blamed, it appears that you just can’t give a fig or two.

Dr.Dawg said...

More on your Noam Feh-derman:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3326400,00.html

What, no mention of homosexual-stabbing-as-pastime on your blog? Meanwhile a lot of "holy cannons" are doing their thing...

Read my blog more carefully. Some of my posts have nothing to do with Jews. :)

Kateland, aka TZH said...

Again, I will repeat myself, - why do you never criticize the Palestinian Authority, Hamas government for their treatment of minorities in your blog -

How is it their crimes get a free pass or even a white wash on your blog? It is all very well to sprout PA basic law but the practise in the PA/Hamas run Gaza Strip tells an entirely different story - are you seriously suggesting the Christian minorities are not under seize by the ‘lawful’ Palestinian governments? Tell me how do you reconcile equality of all Palestinians under the Law and Judiciary whereby it is a criminal offense punishable by death for any Arab to sell land to a Jew? If that isn’t a racist law – pray tell me what is? Passed in 1998 post Oslo I might add.

This post isn't about Noam Federman's political beliefs nor about homosexuals in Israel (who fare considerably better than in the PA, and who often apply for asylum in Israel to escape torture and death in the PA. I'll even throw you a bone - let's include how the PA treats homosexuals in the PA regions.

Stick to the questions at hand and stop wasting my time.

Dr.Dawg said...

Perhaps you could point me to some references. For starters, the ones that prove that the Palestinian Authority is engaged in wiping out the Dom as an initiation ritual for its troops. You know, the official decree, or something of that nature.

Then we can move on to the Palestinian Christians. Again, an official decree or formal statement by the PA that they should be dispossessed.

Then we can turn to homosexuals, who no doubt don't fare well. But again, an official statement, law or ruling from the PA would be useful. But spare me the crucifixion hoax, please.

This will at least get us on the same page here.

Kateland, aka TZH said...

Why you bring up the cruxification is beyond me but basing your 'debunking' on Ma'an News Agency account does strain credibility a tad. But who knows, maybe there really are "Zionist" boars which are trained only to attack Palestinians in the 'West Bank'! Oh, and Rats, and Lions too!

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:EBXbKAy0g0EJ:www.maannews.net/en/index.php%3Fopr%3DShowDetails%26ID%3D29810+zionist+boars+ma%27an&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ca

I didn't say the Palestinian Authority and the Dom but Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade. Go google it. I gave you the names of Christian Palestinians who are being swindled out of their property by PA officials. Go google it – its time for you to read and learn who you are defending.

And while we are on the subject of Basic Law versus reality, so what exactly is your position on the alleged 'collaborators' who have been summarily executed by Hamas during the current round of strife without benefit of trial – contrary to Basic Law?

Dr.Dawg said...

What the hell are Jewish settlers doing with boars? Just a question.

The "crucifixion" hoax has disappeared from view--it sprang from one mistaken story in an English-language Arab newspaper, and picked up by the Jerusalem Post--which at least had the honesty to state that it couldn't confirm the story. And Hamas denies it--which is odd behaviour for this group of Islamists. If they actually passed such a law, they'd be proclaiming it loudly as Koranic.

I Googled "Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade 'Dom people'" and turned up all of four references, none of which make your claim. But in any case the AAMB doesn't speak for the PA.

Obviously I don't support the dispossession of Palestinian Christians.

Finally, not that I doubt you, but do you have actual proof that "collaborators" are being summarily killed by Hamas? (Foreign reporters have been refused permission to enter Gaza.) If that's happening, of course I oppose it, as I oppose summary execution of all kinds. Do I really have to say that?

Kateland, aka TZH said...

Do you really have to say it?

Yeah, you do, because silence in this issue confers an acceptance, and if Israel was practising this kind of execution would your blog give them a pass?

I'll pass the AAMB/and Dom issue along later. Most of what I have you would not be able to read or translate.

About those Zionist wild boars...just why would Israeli regilious Jews raise wild boars - think about it for a moment - the fact their 'wild' should be the first clue.